A wise man once said that when chance meets destiny you are a fool not to walk through the door it creates. Who was that wise man? Me. It was totally me. Ok, no one says that but that doesn’t make the statement any less true. The journey of the incomparable Sarah the Rebel is proof of that fact. Sarah was able to take her love of pro wrestling as a child and after a chance meeting and some sound advice, turn it to a multifaceted career that spans professional wrestling, gaming, writing, and so much more. Sarah took a moment to sit down and chat with us about how she got her start in pro wrestling, how becoming a writer on the extremely popular (Women of Wrestling) WOW Superheroes led to her wrestling re-debut as the villainous Razor, keeping busy during the COVID-19 outbreak, how she ended up writing for MARVEL Comics, her thoughts on the current unrest in America, and more.
Lovell Porter: When you were a kid, did you watch wrestling? If so, which wrestlers were your favorites?
Sarah the Rebel: I did watch wrestling and Chyna, Luna Vachon and (Miss) Jacquelyn were my favorites! They were never on as often as I wanted them to be though…
Sarah: After meeting Xavier Woods, he told me that you just go to school for wrestling. So that night I googled “wrestling schools in LA” and Santino Bros. was the first one to pop up. I didn’t sign up right away. Woods got my podcast co-host, Tamara Brooks, and I tickets to attend RAW in Anaheim. When we got back to her car after the show there was a flyer for Santino Bros on the windshield. I took it as a sign and signed up the next day. It was before the NJPW seminar. I think I started training in 2017 and the NJPW camp was Spring 2018.
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LP: Talk about a wide spectrum of training. Were there any distinct differences between Santino Bros. and the NJPW Dojo?
Sarah: Every place I’ve ever trained, even for just a day or a seminar, has been different. NJPW focused very strongly on fitness and basic movements. Santino Bros is probably the most well-rounded, with a lot of cardio and drills. WOW focused on being able to work on the fly. Every school is different and has their own philosophy about wrestling and what makes a wrestler great.
That, to me, is why it’s important to train at as many locations as possible. As my trainer, Robby Phoenix used to say “Sometimes a different person will tell you the same thing I’ve been telling you, but they’ll say it in a way where it will finally click in your head. NJPW taught me I could endure anything. Santino Bros taught me the psychology of wrestling. The WOW dojo taught me to truly love wrestling.
LP: What led to you signing with WOW?
Sarah: I was in Japan when a friend sent me a job listing looking for a writer for a women’s wrestling company. I emailed them right away. I never heard back. When I got back to the U.S. I decided to follow up and thank goodness I did because they had forgotten to get back to me. It was WOW, and they hired me as a writer and it was my dream job. I wrote most of the WOW profiles on the website. I helped write quite a few scripts and other material as well.
When they revealed they were having an audition, I asked if I could sign up or if it would be a conflict of interest. Wrestling at WOW would be a dream come true for me because I had always wished GLOW was still around (if you’re unaware, GLOW was also created by David McLane). Head trainer Selina Majors apparently told David “If we don’t let her audition she’ll spend the rest of her life wondering “what if” and so they let me audition and of course I smashed it out of the park because I AM Razor.
LP: As one of the Psycho Sisters, you are a member of the most feared tag team in WOW. When you started your journey in professional wrestling was tag team wrestling the goal?
Sarah: I didn’t develop a love of tag team wrestling until I started wrestling training. One of the pieces of advice they give students is to watch old wrestling to get ideas. I was drawn to the amazing tag team antics of the 80s and early 90s. It’s now my favorite type of wrestling and I hope I get to do it more outside of WOW.
LP: How has the COVID lockdown affected you personally and professionally?
Sarah: Professionally, I went from having an amazing Spring and Summer of traveling (outside of the U.S. as well) and debuting in new places to having my career disappear into thin air. It’s very humbling to be reminded that your job is not necessary. Luckily I have amazing fans who have continued to support me over on Patreon and I was able to get an old job back so I’m paying rent. Some people aren’t so lucky.
Personally, I’m thriving. I have always been a hermit so having an excuse to not see people and not go to the gym and not have to force myself to leave the house has been amazing.
Sarah: I don’t have a balance, to be honest! It’s starting to get really hard to answer all my DMs every day… I spend at least an hour every morning trying to clear them all. I put most of my energy into Patreon because that’s where my best community is.
Sarah: That was a very cool experience. I was hired by Marvel to write the book for the first season of the show. I got to go on set and conduct interviews with the cast and crew. Hayley Atwell is as lovely as she seems. They did a lot of pranks on set and were just amazing people in general. I really wish more people had tuned into the show.
LP: Do you currently watch WWE and/or AEW? Thoughts on both companies producing wrestling shows without crowds?
Sarah: I do not support WWE in any way. Their actions, first in how they classify their employees, second in Saudi Arabia, and third in their bribing of Florida to stay open and then laying off a bunch of people during a pandemic has thoroughly disgusted me.
I tune in to AEW once in a while but unfortunately, their women’s division doesn’t have enough storylines to keep me interested. I’m hoping that changes!
LP: What’s the most insane thing that has happened to you while on the road?
Sarah: Mazzerati and Queen Estrella came to pick me up in Maz’s car. As I get in, they warn me that the window will not roll up, the car is pulling to one side, and a host of other weird car problems. We start to get cold with the window down on our EIGHT HOUR DRIVE so we stop and get tape and the two of them spend at least 30 minutes saran wrapping the window.
About 5 minutes into the drive the saran wrap flies off and wraps all over all of us. Estrella is driving on the highway, we can’t pull over and we’re all screaming and then the lights start flickering on and off in the car. The drive home in the am in the desert was one of the coldest experiences of my life! But we lived.
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LP: You’re a jack of all trades. Beyond being a wrestler, you are also an avid gamer, published author, model, podcaster, and an anime enthusiast. Have you had any trouble navigating so many worlds as a person of color?
Sarah: Luckily I pass as a white person, so I’ve been spared any personal issues as a person of color. But it is infuriating in both the wrestling and gaming community because I have to hear all of the slander and watch people’s careers get held back because they are people of color. I’ve witness wrestling trainees not being treated the same just because they are black. Or had to sit and listen to people talk about their hair or the way they speak. I’ve gotten in some serious fights over it. And of course, in gaming, everyone wants to say the n-word to trigger people.
As for being a woman, that has been more of an issue. In wrestling, women are still judged in a backward viewpoint and male wrestlers will suggest that women have our spots because of who we sleep with instead of based on our skill. I mean, just look at the current issue with CZW if you want an example of what we have to go through sometimes. Navigating which promoters and bookers are inappropriate, even having to be careful about adult male trainers and young female trainees. It’s a minefield sometimes.
And of course, being a woman in gaming had its own host of issues, I could write a book about that one.
Anyway, so when this happened I became a bit despondent. I couldn’t focus. I just tried to share everything I could, save everything I could for future arguments with any AllLivesMatter people, and donate and sign petitions. But I felt hopeless. “Again? When will it ever be enough?”
Black people have been telling everyone else that they have been treated differently for decades and we finally have enough cellphone footage that only someone who didn’t WANT to see the truth could possibly keep arguing that black people are making it up. And then, against my expectations, one by one all the white people I knew, who had stayed silent during Ferguson, started speaking up. Going to protests. Getting arrested. Getting beat up. MARCHING for black people. Fighting for black people. And now I’m filled with hope. It might finally be time. I’m going to allow myself to be hopeful that change might come to the U.S.
Sarah: I wanted places to talk about my favorite things with other women, without having to worry about guys coming in and gatekeeping. If we want to spend an hour discussing wrestling gear or which female characters actually have cool storylines we should be allowed to do that. Do you know how many women got on my podcast and were ASHAMED to tell me that Roman Reigns was their favorite wrestler?!
It was so sad to me. Male fans managed to make them feel like the thing they liked meant they weren’t “true fans”. And that happens all the time in gaming too. If a woman likes the Sims or puzzle games they aren’t “real gamers”. So I always strive to make places were women can be loud and unapologetic about what they love and how they love it.